“Germany is at the forefront of telling the Europeans that the Europeans want federalization without changing the treaty. I would like to hope that it will be impossible, otherwise – as the editor says – it is a European coup,” says PiS MP Anna Zalewska in an interview with the wPolityce.pl portal.
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wPolityce.pl: Is Germany preparing a coup in the European Union? Recent events – a conference on the future of Europe, proposals for transnational lists for the European Parliament elections, and now statements by the head of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, that voting in the majority should be introduced instead of unanimity in the European Parliament Council – suggests that the answer to this question is affirmative. How would you rate it?
Anna Zalewska: I think we were asking ourselves such questions a few months ago when the German government was formed, because it was not only said, but also written into the coalition agreement, that Germany would strive to federalize the Europe and would see themselves as leaders not only in the pursuit of federalisation, but also in the management of the European Union. Of course, we know that France also has such ambitions, so all the activities that the editor mentioned – and the conference and the documents that talk about common elections – are designed for this, but they are incompatible with the treated, so there is no question that what happened at this time. Or the work on the “Fit for 55” package, where unanimity is avoided, even though this unanimity is necessary, especially since we are talking about new taxes and the energy mix. It is absolutely guaranteed in the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union as a competence of a Member State. We can see that all this tends to federalize the European Union, even without the treaties, because in my opinion, changing the treaty is quite simply impossible – around ten countries have already protested against Commissioner von der Leyen’s speech, when she said that unanimity is not necessary and will do everything, that there will be no veto.
I remind you that the Europeans already talked about federalization some time ago – before the Treaty of Lisbon, there was a constitutional treaty, which was rejected, among others, by the French.
Yes, but we are now faced with a situation in which in a totally manipulative way – as many observers have pointed out – a “public voice” has been chosen, which has commented on the proposals contained in the conference documents on the future of Europe, which could also suggest that here just a coup.
As for the NGOs, the institutions which have been chosen to express themselves and say that they represent society in the European Union, they have in fact been very biased in order to repeat only the theses which struck a chord at the start and which had sound to the end. Indeed, Germany is in the lead when it comes to telling the Europeans that the Europeans want federalization without changing the treaty. I hope it won’t be possible, otherwise – as the editor says – it’s a European coup.
You said corporations are against federalization. In addition to the results of the referendum on the occasion of the Constitutional Treaty, we have more recent polls which would also indicate this. The question is whether their representatives in the EU institutions share this view? I fear that when deciding on this, the German proposal will receive much more support than the social mandate suggests.
Hopefully it will not, and here too the responsibility of individual governments to resonate with citizens. The European Commission, Germany or France fear the discontent of Europeans. They want to divert attention with these actions not only from the fact that they are hardly unequivocal or unanimous regarding the war in Ukraine – after all, the statements of President Macron, who says it is for many years that Ukraine can join the European Union when everyone says “Here and now”, or at least so that it becomes an unambiguous candidate – or deceive the public and not inform them about the costs of the package “Fit for 55”. Hence the flight to the front and the involvement of society in the discussion of whether they want a state that will be called the European Union. There must indeed be such a genuine discussion in the various Member States. I think the role of the media is important in asking such questions and showing what the consequences of federalization will be. We imagine the actions we can now see as the war unfolds, what decisions might be made on the German side. Anyway, we were already hostages of the Energy Union, a joint EU energy action, when the EU was building the German-Russian Nord Stream 2 together, which clearly showed how Germany imagines common actions.
Nord Stream 2 has not been dismantled. Added to this is the “Fit for 55” mentioned by Mrs, which is also calculated for supplies from Russia – for the moment gas, then perhaps other fuels – here continues the Russian thread of any the federalization of the European Union. Note that Russia did not protest against Ukraine’s accession to the European Union, which can only be explained by the fact that it hopes that Ukraine will thus enter into its orbit with the whole of the EU. On the other hand, there are all the time statements from various EU representatives about the desire to unite Ukraine with the community. To what extent do you think the real threat is that the federalization envisaged by Germany will serve Russia’s interests and make the whole community dependent on Russia?
I hope the whole world will see what is happening with aggressive Russia, which murders, kills, destroys and rapes, that it will never regain its power name – because it turns out it was a power fiction – but actually, when the war broke out, we suddenly found out in the European Union, including journalists, how Russia influenced EU decisions and how it built energy. First of all, we know that he was buying by providing millions of euros to scientists who, for example, were protesting against Nord Stream 2 – as was the case in Sweden – as he was bribing the German federal states – we have the territory of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern , where a foundation was directly created, where 20 million euros were transferred to support the construction of Nord Stream 2. How to add the information that Russia has supported climate NGOs, in order that she does various events in various indicated places, showing what energy the source must be destroyed. How do we add young Russians working in Parliament to this, how do we consider the fact that there were Russian companies directly on the lists of lobbyists of the European Commission, when we read the PGE research – it did not sound one way or another – which commissioned the UK think tank to analyze the ETS market, where we read that 70% of the financial institutions that participate in this energy or ECJ madness are registered companies in tax havens, we’ve seen this happen for decades and I think it’s still happening.
What developments do you envisage?
A terribly difficult question… Poland will certainly not accept federalization – it has a right of veto for the time being. I know that more than ten countries have already spoken on this subject. It is simply absolutely impossible and I hope that the Polish government, as well as most Member States, will not allow this to happen.
Thanks for the conversation.
Interviewed by Anna Wiejak